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't tell where he stands. will ryan be ryan tonight or a second best romney? force him to middle that decision. make him choose every minute, joe biden, between being his ideological self and being just another pal. that's what i'd do tonight to him. i'd force him. >> that question of distance between romney and ryan and whether there is any i think is going to be the most interesting thing to watch for on the republican side tonight, chris. i agree with you there. lawrence o'donnell is in the spin room at the debate in danville, kentucky. lawrence, what are you looking to tonight in terms of differences of the debate last week? >> well, the rules are somewhat different, rachel. they're attempting to get to more topics tonight. last week, the design was six top topics. jim lehrer only had time for five because basically the candidates went longer in every section. the idea, tonight, is in this 90-minute debate, there will be nine topics, ten minutes each for the nine topics. but each candidate will begin each topic with a two-minute statement. so let's assume for a moment that ea
of a numbers guy. >> the poll numbers for romney and ryan soaring after the first presidential debate. democrats openly counting on joe biden tonight to stop that republican momentum. >> osama bin laden is dead and general motors is arrive. >> the 2012 vice presidential debate starts right now. >>> happy debate night, everybody. the best television series of 2011 was the republican primary debates. there were 1 million of them. they played to huge audiences week after week and never disappointed. now it is october 2012 and the most compelling thing on television anywhere in the country is once again the debates. only now there are only two candidates at a time and the stakes are way higher. i'm rachel maddow. here on our msnbc headquarters in new york. i'm joined by ed schultz, reverend al sharpton, chris hayes, steve schmidt. lawrence o'donnell is our man in the spin room tonight. the one and only chris matthews is at centre college in danville, kentucky, the site of tonight's debate. chris, is this unusually high stakes for a vice presidential debate? >> well, it's great being with
, hitting romney by going after the target rich ryan budget. strategy the obama camp signaled with a web video today. >> they haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> reporter: biden, though, could be on defense because unlike the first debate focused only on domestic issues this time half of the agenda is foreign policy. so the door is wide open for tough questions act security failures leading to the terror attack in libya. and the administration's mixed messages. then there are the gaffes. >> how they can justify raising taxes in the middle class has been buried the last four years. >> reporter: they may give ryan fodder, analyst note the vice president performs better when the speaking time is limited. >> in debates; particularly, against sarah palin four years ago he was disciplined. i don't think -- i think the republicans will be unwise to count on a biden gaffe. >> reporter: fox learned that the vice president was all over the place in his first debate prep session. that's why david axelrod and other top o
. feeling the love. what are the expectations coming from the romney campaign for paul ryan's big night tonight? here what happens his senior adviser, dan senor told chuck todd this morning, when it was really cold. >> he has to make the case about the choice in the election, all right? things have been rough over the last four years and it's incumbent on president obama and vice president biden to explain what exactly has happened over the last four years 23 million americans out of work, 47 million americans on food stamps 1 in 6 americans in poverty have them explain the rational for why they deserve a second term. there is a choice as it relates to the budgets, they are running on the romney/ryan agenda. governor romney laid out a plan, his five-point plan for the middle class. >> nbc's ron mott has been covering congressman ryan throughout and traveling with him and interviewing dan senor as well, and joins me now here. you've been with ryan camp. what is the mood? they must have gotten pumped up. >> totally. >> by the romney performance. now there's a whole expectation game for th
, watching romney tell those untruths, i believe he had to do some of that because the only thing paul ryan was doing was complementing what romney was doing, which was lying. so i believe biden had to interrupt because there were times when things ryan was saying did not make any sense. the 47%, they cannot clarify the that this really has hurt a lot of people by what they have said and they cannot live up to that. then president obama gets in office the first day and the republicans say we will do everything we can to make sure you are one-term president. how can you get things done when on your first day they refuse to help him? it's not like he can come across the aisle. they have already dropped him. americans need to wake up and see that this is just a thing where the republicans will make sure they say or do whatever they can to make sure obama is not elected. he has done things for the republican side of america as well as the democratic side. host: we will leave it there and move on to michael in columbus, georgia, on our mitt romney line. caller: house is going -- how is it going?
troubling by the day. they first blame the youtube video and now they are trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. >> one of the few rabbit holes that ryan got sucked into was afghanistan and though ryan proved that he had knowledge about the war, he wanted to commit more troops to an open-ended deployment in what is an unpopular war. >> we are sending fewer people to the front to fight them. >> that's right. because that's the afghan responsibility. we've trained them. >> not in the east. >> let's move -- let move to another war. >> not in the east? >> it's the most dangerous place in the world. >> that's right. >> you would rather americans being sent in to do the jobs. >> we are already sending more americans in to do the jobs. >> afghans to do the job. afghans to do the job. >> there were tense moments like that, including where biden came close to channelling lloyd benson's famous attack on dan quayle. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve -- >> not mathematically possible. >> it is possible and it's been done before. >> it has never been done bef
. >> reporter: or ryan's attempt to compare the mitt romney tax plan to jack kennedy's. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> reporter: ryan was able to fire back with a few zingers of his own. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground. i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> reporter: republicans in the post debate spin room tried to make the case biden failed not only on style. >> quite frankly i was embarrassed for the vice president. i mean, the laughs. we counted 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. >> reporter: but also on substance pointing to the vice president's response on whether there was adequate security before the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. >> and they wanted more security there. >> well, we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> we just had a major hearing on this. that was one of the heart -- the heart of the point was these requests went unheated. and obviously
was mitt romney. he picked paul ryan for a simple reason and the same reason he went to the olympics. he wanted to. he runs his campaign. he is the ceo of the campaign. he is his own karl rove. it has cost him a lot of problems. he is the product, not the ceo. that is how he set it up. they feel good about the ryan choice now. they gave republicans excitement. they needed it. if it costs them problems or florida, then it is a gap. >> i would do it differently. romney had had a bad summer. he had had a bad trip to europe. he came back. there was a discomfort in terms of where the campaign was and where they were headed. he wanted to shake things up. he did not think this was the time for a safe choice. there were two groups of people that were excited about the pick of paul ryan. hwang was conservative republicans and the others were congressional democrats. we could finally make the ryan plan a big deal. it did not end up being a positive or negative. it moved romney's numbers of about 2 points up and then dissipated. it closed things up in wisconsin and settle down. it has been fairly n
coverage starting at 2:45 eastern. mitt romney is teaming up with paul ryan for a rally in lancaster, ohio. c-span will have live coverage of that starting at 5:40 p.m. eastern. >> can we focus on the issues and not the personalities and the mud? there is a need, if we can take a poll here. there is a need to focus on the needs. >> how the gentlemen response? >> let's talk about these issues. let's talk about the programs that, in the presidency, a lot goes into it. caring goes into it. that is not specific. strength goes into it. that is not specific. this is what a president has to do. in principle, i will take your point and i think we ought to discuss child care or whatever else it is. >> and you, too? >> i will take the place because i know the american people want to talk about issues and not tabloid journalism. i will take the pledge and talk about the issues. for the record, i do not have any spin doctors or speechwriters. it probably shows. [laughter] i make those charts you see on television. if you don't have to wonder it is me talking. what you see is what you get. if you do no
romney and his running mate paul ryan in lancaster, ohio. later, a live debate from california's 36 district between republican incumbent mary by matt and democratic challenger raul ruez. vice president biden and his wife campaigned today in wisconsin. it is his first campaign stop following thursday night's vice presidential campaign. this is about half an hour. >> hello, everyone. it is great to be here today. how about the content the debate? did joe do great last night? [cheers and applause] i am so proud of him. last night, i saw the july note, someone who truly understands what is going on in people's lives. -- i saw the joe i know, someone who truly understands what is going on in people's lives. somebody who truly stands for the middle-class and someone who showed us a clear picture of the choice in this election. and now, it is my pleasure to turn this over to someone who has been fighting hard for the kind of america that we want to live in, someone who is not afraid to roll up his sleeves and do the hard work to keep moving this country forward, my husband, our vice presi
girl tir tied to walk in high school hallways after having problems over a romney-ryan t-shirt. >> gregg: 30 days out from election day, the governor is wrapping up a rally with supporters north of palm beach in what many say has now become a post debate victory tour. john roberts joins us from port st. lucy, florida. what is going on there? >> good afternoon. just wrapped up one of the biggest crowds so far. about 12,000 people here at this town square. where president obama won by 12 points back in 2008. he is feeling pretty good about things in florida. a new rasmussen poll has the governor two points ahead. here at this event he was looking to the next presidential debate a week from tuesday. he says he has questions on the president from taxes to debt and spending. >> he wants another stimulus? how did the first one work out? he wants to hire more government workers? he wants to pick with winners and losers solyndra, losers in his case. we know where that leads. we have seen the last four years. we don't want four more years like the last four years. >> reporter: the
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and unfair trade practices. at each event today, mitt romney and paul ryan have been trying to thump mr. obama for his absence of leadership on this, they say. here is a sampling from earlier today at mr. romney's convenient in portsmouth, ohio. >> over the past several years, the president failed to call china a currency manipulator. he had the occasion on friday to come out with that official designation. you know what they said? we're not going to make any determination until after the election. let me tell you, on day one of my administration, i will label china a currency manipulator. >> here in ohio, that is a particularly potent attack because the manufacturing base had taken such a hit over the past few years, both in the obama economy and before. paul ryan was campaigning today in youngtown, ohio. he made the point that mr. obama has had a number of chances to take steps to crack down on china and passed on them. watch. >> the administration had their eighth chance to label china a currency manipulator. it's due in two days. they say they're going to push this deadline off unti
economic experts, that is why they said that the romney-ryan tax plan would in fact raise taxes on middle-class families with a child an average of $2,000 a year. $2,000 a year. by the way, every model looked at, from the american enterprise institute, says the same thing. folks, it is time to lift the burden of the middle class, not double down on the great recession that hit them. [applause] as a consequence of the great recession, family, middle class families lost $16 trillion in wealth, mostly in equity in their homes, they saw them evaporate, and their pension plans and their 401-k's. it is time for everybody to chip in, but we should not be surprised at their continued opposition to everyone chipping in. these are the folks who talked about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. by the way, the congressman from wisconsin in his speech to "the spectator" said 47% of americans are these takers. i do not know who these people are they're talking about. the people of the neighborhood i grew up in, 82% pay their taxes at an effective rate higher than romney p
presidential debate, and this is why mitt romney and paul ryan are spending so much time in the buckeye state. 51%, 45%. they are both there today. we're going to listen to mitt romney live in just a moment. topping our political headlines, though, within the hour, president obama is scheduled to land in newport, virginia, he's on his way to williamsburg where he's preparing for tuesday. he used the radio and internet address to focus on the economy, touting the impact of the bailout. >> to let detroit go bankrupt. i bet on american work and ingenuity and three years later that bet is paying off in a big kwa. today auto sales are higher thain even about been in three years. gm is back. ford and chrysler are growing again. we've created a quart ore of a a million new jobs right here in america. >> mitt romney holding a rally in ohio. this hour. it's about to get under way. in fact, we're going get a live update from the campaign trail in just a moment. in their weekly address, republicans also talking about the economy. it was delivered by oklahoma congressional candidate mark wayne mullet. >>
. >> paul ryan was trying to praise romney's career as governor in massachusetts. and biden said, wait a minute he's not even competing there, he can't carry his own state. and the republicans have been making a lot about his bipartisanship. he was able to get along with the democratic legitimate slate stur. the democrats in the legislate stur were far more cooperative with the republican governor than the republicans are today with the democratic president. >> let's turn to the state we can't seem to talk enough about, ohio, the buckeye state. both candidates doing anything they can to win over specifically michael smerkonish, working-class voters in ohio. for romney, that's about calling out obama for being weak on china, this is yesterday. >> we're going to do this, we're going to make sure when people cheat and china has been cheating, we're not going to let it go on. i'm not going to pass it off. on day one i will label china a currency manipulator and we're going to get serious when we make sure that people don't cheat when it comes to trade. >> is that a message that's going to
the romney/ryan campaign raised last night in milwaukee. we look at how the money will get put to work. topping the political headlines, a whole new round of fire on the sunday morning talk shows over -- the debate. tell you how nbc's "meet the press," senior obama campaign adviser robert gibbs conceded the president could have done better and also took aim at governor romney. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because as i said earlier, we met a new mitt romney. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent in running during the primaries in saying that mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> former speaker and republican candidate newt gingrich said this morning that president obama has no excuse. >> the president of the united states had 90 minutes. now, if he had done his homework and actually prepared and actually studied romney, why didn't he say it? i mean why didn't he take romney head-on? the job of the president is supposed to be competent and be
too much and overshadowed the substance of what he was saying. the romney/ryan ticket has a new tv ad. >> did they come in and inherit a tough situation? absolutely. we're going in the wrong direction. look at where we are. the economy is barely limping along. don't raise taxes on small businesses. they're our job creators. >> smiling and laughing while congressman ryan was talking about serious issues. was his body language at all, his facial expressions counterproductive? >> not at all. i'm happy to defend my dad. i don't think he needs defending. anytime folks on the far right are going after my father for smiling too much, that's a victory. my father spoke clearly to the american people about the facts. he did that for 90 minutes straight. this is not about how much my father smiled or how many gallons of water the congressman drank nervously on the stage. it's about talking directly to the american people about very important facts. what you say from my father was him articulating the vision that he and the president have and continuing to build the middle class out and take the
politics. in wisconsin that is where paul ryan is from, mitt romney's running mate. that is only a 2-point race in wisconsin. you have to remember, this is state where back in june there was recall election against scott walker. he won the race. he demoralized the democrats. a lot of activists were saying because president obama didn't come strong in favor of the democratic candidate, it demoralized a lot of democrats there. turnout could be very important. if the democratic turnout is not high, you might see mitt romney win that state. >> patti ann: meanwhile, florida where he is romney is enjoying a 2% advantage. we have david plouffe saying, we are going to get the senior citizens and hispanics. we are going to get florida? >> it's a crucial state for romney to win, one of two of most crucial states, florida and ohio. there is another poll out, tampa bay times poll that shows romney is up by 7. obama campaign disputes the poll that the hispanic voters are not as close as that poll shows. that is pretty significant lead in florida with rom up 7. he certainly as the momentum. that would b
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these guys give them credit for. i have got news for the governor romney and congressman ryan -- america is neither independent, nor is it in decline. [applause] if they would get out of the way, out of the way with these policies and outs of a critique 50's. out of the my message to congressman ryan, it has never been a good bet to bet against the american people. you always lose when you bet against the american people. we need you. we need you to have as much faith as we have. we need you to stand up. we need your support. we need you to help us win wisconsin. if we win wisconsin, we win this election. god bless you, and make god protect our troops. thank you all so very much. thank you. [applause] ♪ ♪ ♪ ["the weight" plays] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ life"to get you inonto my plays] ♪ ♪ >> republican candidate mitt romney and his running mate also returned to the campaign trail following last night's debate. they stopped at a rally in lancaster, ohio for their first postseason appearance together. this is about 35 minutes. ♪ [cheers and applause] we have to win, don't we? it is
romney and ryan support preserving tax cuts for all the capital gains and carried interest. everything else, my friend, your mortgage interest tax deduction and everything else is on table. >> okay. if that was the high point of joe biden talking about the economy last night we have a long way to go. americans still don't believe the stimulus worked. we're dealing with the weak economy. that's reality to people. >> but we also know , jonathan, let me jump in here. congressman ryan, they heard that he asked for stimulus money. are democrats now fired up? we were in kentucky live. we talked to people all day, talked to people this morning. i found it intriguing that people have been criticizing joe biden. we clearly know what his mission was. i even said we should play the music from "mission: impossible" and show his face. his commission was clear, he opened the envelope, he read it, it get get 'em and he did. obviously conservatives would not like that tone, not like that congressman ryan was interrupted, i believe they said like 17 times. who's counting. the bottom line, david, was it
, the romney/ryan budget would make it tougher on hard working americans. >> that was the democratic national convention last month. campbell and her group will be kicking off another leg of their anti-poverty tour. this take making stops in ohio. meanwhile, mitt romney still can't give a straight answer on exactly what his tax plan is for the the wealthy. romney campaigned on giving the mega rich a tax cut. his website backs him up. yet at the debate, romney claimed the opposite. >> first of all, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. >> analysis from the nonpartisan tax policy center found romney's plan would cost the country $5 trillion over the the next ten years. romney's friends at fox news say romney doesn't have to explain his fuzzy math. here's chris wallace defending romney's flip-flop to governor martin o'malley. >> the president keeps saying that mitt romney is proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not true. >> chris, wait a minute here. former governor is proposing a cut to income taxes including for the wealthi
for their families. in order to cut taxes for the wealthy. the romney ryan budget would make it even tougher on hard-working americans. >> that sistercy moan campbell speaking at the democratic convention last month. her group, nuns on the bus, will kick off another leg of their anti-pof tir tour. this time making stops in ohio. meanwhile, mitt romney still can't give a straight answer on exactly what his plan is for the wealthy. he campaigned on giving the mega rich a tax cut. his website backs him up. yet at the debate, romney claimed the opposite. >> first of all, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. let me repeat what i said, i'm not in favor after $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. >> a romney's plan could cost the country $5 trillion over the next five years. his friends at fox news says he doesn't have to explain his fuzzy math. here is chris wallace depending romney's flip-flop to o'malley. >> the president says that mitt romney is proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not true. >> kras, wait a minute here. the governor -- i mean, former gove
, that is why they said that the romney-ryan tax plan would in fact raise taxes on middle-class families with a child an average of $2,000 a year. $2,000 a year. and by the way, every model looked at it from the so-called -- the american enterprise institute -- they say the same thing. taxes will have to be raised on the middle-class if they succeed with the tax cut. folks, it is time lift the burden off the middle class, not double down on the great recession that hit them. [applause] as a consequence of the great recession, middle-class families lost $16 trillion in wolf appeared mostly in equity in their homes. they saw them evaporate and their pension plans. it is time for everyone to chip been come including the wealthy. as i said last night, we should not be surprised at their continued opposition to everyone chipping in. these other folks to talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take [take [booing] and by the way, the congressman being unwilling to take responsibility. [booing] and by the way, the congressmen said they are takers. these people are like my mom an
in the toledo area. obviously, ohio's an important state to the romney-ryan ticket. we expect paul ryan to stick to the standard substance with the five-point plan to put the middle class back to work and also going by the performance last week of governor romney. particular has a couple of events. one here in the at least area and then we're heading off to the detroit area for an afternoon event and don't expect to see him until thursday and sets up the debate against vice president biden and the past couple of days we asked how much is he prepared to meet someone with more experience. he says he knows that vice president biden will come in aggressively and maybe particularly because of the president's performance last wednesday's event in denver and he is reading briefing books, talking about issues around the country and around the world. paul ryan knows that this is a very big week for him. perhaps the biggest of his entire political career. people need to see the american voters watching that debate on thursday and see him in the vice presidential light and probably not enough for him to be
, comparing with that of romney and ryan. steve. >> so romney and ryan do have somewhat different plans. we talked a lot in the debate last week about taxes. this is the spending side of the equation. to kind of lay out apropos conversations we had earlier in the show about what ryan and romney each believe about spending, let's start with kind of an overview of where the three people would like to bring spending over the next ten years. the 20-year historical average is at about 21%,ed red line that you see across there. obama would like to have spending end up at 23%. romney and ryan both want it down at 20%. so there's a clear difference, and they all agree on where it should go. what gets interesting is as you dig into the detail of what gets cut, and you'll see some very, i think, fascinating differences among these guys. so on social security, as you heard president obama say in the last debate, the three guys are actually in the same place. they want to spend the same amount on social security in the next ten years. when you get to medicare, romney and ryan are in the same place, but
for mitt romney and ryan to say. host: were you hired because of the convention and then laid off after word? caller: i was hired away before the convention. but the thing was that i got fired for unnecessary reasons. they were just during layoffs and layoffs at and things. i think obama said it best when he ran in 2008. we're going to go through bad times. you have to go out before you can get good. -- go bad before you can get good. he said this was going to take us some time, but we are going to get through it. it is going to get hard before it gets good. if we unite together and work together as a country. host: we will leave it there. but go to john in long beach. tell us your story appeared caller: i've never voted, but i have -- tell us your story. caller: i have never voted, but i have followed the politics. i grew up in south beach and in alaska. i always wondered why the politicians never talked about the old issues, the war on drugs that kind of thing. i just don't know where we are coming from these days. host: what is a real issue to you? the war on drugs is a real issue? c
spending cap. romney's running mate, paul ryan's own budget says a plan he proposed in congress does include a medicare spending cap but romney isn't aligning himself completely. we'll see if that comes up tonight. you can expect the questions will be asked. >> i would not expect answers. extreme political advantage and a lack of specificity and mitt romney is showing that advantage. >>> saved along the shore. a man comes to the aid of a mamma in distress. dramatic video coming up. you'll want to see this. if you're leaving the house right now, you can watch this any time. go to jack, you're a little boring. boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire [ male announcer ] use any citi card to get the benefits of private pass. more concerts, more events, more experiences. [ jack ] hey, who's boring now? [ male announcer ] get more access with the citi card. [ crowd cheering, mouse clicks ] it'
attacks are a political topic right now is because romney and ryan made it so. does that seem to you that she is saying that the lives of these four brave americans is not important? >> i hear that, and i also hear that, well, it wouldn't be an issue if we hadn't gotten caught. >> what more do you on your commit that's investigating this whole affair, what more do you want to know? >> my number one concern is are there any other embassies or u.s. diplomatic officials out there that are in a dangerous position that we are not providing all necessary protection for? it's a tragedy that we have lost these lives, but it would be even worse if this list of four grew to a list of 8 or more. >> the congressman on the committee that's investigating this. thank you for taking the time. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> sobering responses and information. well, mortgage rates also not sobering. in fact, they are at record lows. should you take advantage of it? is it really the best time to refinance? how do you get the most bank for your buck? we will tell you that straight ahead. don't miss
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